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Post by milecoupe on Oct 23, 2009 14:51:15 GMT -4
Whos getting it or not getting it. For me i just spent a tun of time reading up on it from people that have it and just gotta say not likeing it and for me this thread pretty much killed it for me forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/1/3082215/ShowThread.aspx "Its been verified the only thing you can choose is the type of race, and class. The rest is up to Turn 10 and what is "Popular" Only being able to play in private matchs is just stupid and screwed online for me as thats how i met most of you that i know and now you can only play with friends otherwise its halo 3 matchmaking  If you don't play with freinds you have no control and you have to race by there settings and only the "most popular game types,races are gonna be picked for open rooms" so pretty much every race is gonna be at the oval in gt40s HOW FUN  really happy i did'nt pre order it last night now.Bash me for whineing some more about this game more but thing is this series forza 1 and 2 were amaazing and they only added to it.Now with this one they changed it and just is'nt the same in my eyes as they seem to be money hunters now  |
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Post by munsonator08 on Oct 23, 2009 21:14:02 GMT -4
how are they going to determine what is popular if they only choose the game types. obviously if that was the case then it would be whatever they say is popular. im going to have fun with this game regardless. if it is that way, then guess what. that means that everyone will have to get there asses in gear and get a competitive car for each type of race.
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Post by milecoupe on Oct 24, 2009 1:04:11 GMT -4
Actully no because in the non private rooms you can only use S class and up so yea....Can't race A or below unless your in a private room
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Post by munsonator08 on Oct 24, 2009 2:28:52 GMT -4
we'll see, that would be pretty f*ckin dumb for them to change that stuff over. if they want halo 3 style matchmaking, they need to have an option for it, just like exhibition or career for online. just have a seperate mode. they need to leave things alone, if they F it up, im done with forza.
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Post by milecoupe on Oct 24, 2009 10:24:45 GMT -4
Thats the reason i've been postin all this stuff muns,i was gonna go and buy it then i read the forza forums from people that have it and turn 10 even replyed saying its true....
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Post by brandit on Oct 24, 2009 12:42:29 GMT -4
So am I to understand that there are no lobbies and only matchmaking? If that's true doesn't that mean that a host can not set up a room so therefore, no league racing?
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Post by brandit on Oct 24, 2009 12:44:34 GMT -4
After reading the forum, looks as if you can still set up private matches, so crises averted.
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Post by milecoupe on Oct 24, 2009 17:20:28 GMT -4
Yea there private matchs but thats it otherwise its matchmaking and that kills the game for me partly because if you think about it from forza 2 alone we got roush,god,nucy,pharmer,potsy and more and just now you can only play with your friends and to not be able to have random open rooms kinda kills it at least i find
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Post by brandit on Oct 24, 2009 19:20:54 GMT -4
Yeah, it kills it a lot. Most common matches will probably be Nissan oval or drift play.
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Post by munsonator08 on Oct 25, 2009 3:13:24 GMT -4
online will suck ass.
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Post by wildwilldavis on Oct 25, 2009 6:03:46 GMT -4
Nope, plain and simple...Not gonna give 'em my money...They screwed it up for real racers and invited more "boy racers"...
Talked to friend earlier tonight about it...Asked him if it was better or worse than 2...And I quote "Great is the only word"...I knew from that point I wouldn't be playing it...He said it looks great, physics are about the same (more towards pads though) and some other sh*t about the paint shop and storfront or some sh*t you get to run and sell more worthless, overpriced bullsh!t...
This guy is an all assist, pad user so if he LOVED it then I'm better off leaving it on the shelf!...
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Post by breadedvirus on Oct 25, 2009 19:28:32 GMT -4
I enjoy Race Pro..FM cannot beat the racing experience that this game has to offer.
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Post by TTR Dr Payne on Oct 26, 2009 2:00:01 GMT -4
Nope, plain and simple...Not gonna give 'em my money...They screwed it up for real racers and invited more "boy racers"... Talked to friend earlier tonight about it...Asked him if it was better or worse than 2...And I quote "Great is the only word"...I knew from that point I wouldn't be playing it...He said it looks great, physics are about the same (more towards pads though) and some other s*** about the paint shop and storfront or some s*** you get to run and sell more worthless, overpriced bullsh!t... This guy is an all assist, pad user so if he LOVED it then I'm better off leaving it on the shelf!... Have you played the demo? If you enjoyed the racing experience in Forza 2, then theres no reason you wont enjoy Forza 3. Yea sure they've added a whole ton of new stuff to appeal to a different audience, but for those who want to just race still have that ability. You just simply ignore all the other stuff that your not interested in. If all your interested in is proper racing, then just go out there and race. The game never forces you to become a tuner, become a painter, or to use the auction house in any way. If you want to just race, then you can just race. I'm not trying to defend Forza, I just find it stupid when people say they wont buy a game because they've added in new features to appeal to new people while keeping the same old features there for the already existing market but since they've added these new features in they've apparently killed the game and the already existing market wont buy it anymore, even though the features people liked before are still mostly there. |
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Post by wildwilldavis on Oct 26, 2009 7:54:20 GMT -4
See my problem with just "going racing" on F3 is that ALL the other guys are topping the leaderboards with vehicles that defy the VERY laws of physics...The perimeters for the physics engine are F*#KED from Turn 10...
I didn't enjoy Forza 1.5...I played it due to it being the best racer ATM for the Xbox...Once people started pushing the "limits" of the VERY simple minded tuning F2 had to offer I threw in the towel...
A SPEC car (ie; GT3 Ferrari) can NEVER be faster with longer and less gears than that of the same SPECS with shorter more rapid gear ratios...Torque multiplication is the VERY reason a tractor (semi-truck) has hi and low range and up to 18 speeds...Take that truck and drop it to say a 5 speed, that b!tch ain't moving sh!t...So, my Mustang will always be faster (using manual clutch sans the convertor found in a slushbox) when I drop it from a 6 speed to a 3 speed?..WTF?...Wheres the logic?...
Spose Turn 10 also calls that lump under the hood a "motor" huh?...A window motor, regulator motor, starter motor?...
The fact remains that no matter what bells and whistles Turn 10 adds to this pile it'll still suck...Those of us who actually build cars not only find this TERRIBLY offensive to the world of auto racing but we also know something Turn 10 does not; If you start with a piece of sh!t all you end up with is a POLSIHED TURD!...
The storefront, the auction house, the paint program, the amount of cars are all great...The speed at which it appears you're traveling is complete BS and slowed down for those who play this game who've drank too much flouride...Their thought process is not all there and subsequently they'd suck if was at ALL close to real speed (notice the void of "racers" on race pro)...The fact that the head stays stationary when using the incar reaffirms my position on the amount of catering these pathetic developers do for a dollar...
Oh yeah one last thing...ANYONE who can say this is at ALL close to a sim has never even looked in the general direction of a REAL racing car let along been near or even in one let alone yet again at any sort of speed being in or out of control, driving or just even a freeking ride along with a REAL professional...Prolly the same guys who think a "whole bunch" goes on during a NASCAR race...THERE IS NO JUDGING A SIM or ARCADE (Forza) WITHOUT INVESTING IN THE WHEELS AND PEDALS...PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...ANyone using a freeking pad for a driving game should SERIOUSLY have their head examined ESPECIALLY if their gonna try to convice someone else that said game is a sim...How about this, take your controller out and plug it into your car, see how far you get!...(nothing personal Doc. just saying)
I'm willing to forgo all the features like you mentioned Doc. cause I don't use them anyway...I just WANT to race with good clean racers, be able to rub fenders or push someone up the track, bump-n-run or even have it done to me WITHOUT being CHUCKED off the road as if I was on ice...
Yet another lie from another corporation, bout par these days...
Real competition happens in Race Pro, dreamers PLAY Forza..
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Post by milecoupe on Oct 26, 2009 17:45:58 GMT -4
while keeping the same old features there for the already existing market . Thats just the thing.From forza 1 to 2 they upgraded it but the game was still great.From forza 2-3 they changed the whole game and took out alot from forza 2 and did'nt put it back in.if you go over to the turn 10 site and read the forza info board and most of those people have the game as england got it early there all saying the same things and not liking it so its not just up being haters.I could deal with the handeling etc with how they changed it just to me at least its not the same game anymore as they removed to much and did'nt put the stuff that made it great back in because of crying little b***hs who got kicked cuz they can't race worth sh*t. |
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Post by TTR Dr Payne on Oct 27, 2009 5:24:12 GMT -4
See my problem with just "going racing" on F3 is that ALL the other guys are topping the leaderboards with vehicles that defy the VERY laws of physics...The perimeters for the physics engine are F*#KED from Turn 10... From reading your other post which I responded to, I got the impression you were an idiot talking bulls*** and just complaining(because obviously I dont know you) after reading this post however, I can clearly see your the opposite. What you have said here is a very legitimate reason not to like the game, your other post gave me the impression you weren't happy because of the new stuff added. I didn't enjoy Forza 1.5...I played it due to it being the best racer ATM for the Xbox...Once people started pushing the "limits" of the VERY simple minded tuning F2 had to offer I threw in the towel... Obviously then if you didn't enjoy the the other game, for the very good reasons youve listed, then you wont like this one. As I've already said, I just got the impression you didn't like it for stupid reasons. A SPEC car (ie; GT3 Ferrari) can NEVER be faster with longer and less gears than that of the same SPECS with shorter more rapid gear ratios...Torque multiplication is the VERY reason a tractor (semi-truck) has hi and low range and up to 18 speeds...Take that truck and drop it to say a 5 speed, that b!tch ain't moving sh!t...So, my Mustang will always be faster (using manual clutch sans the convertor found in a slushbox) when I drop it from a 6 speed to a 3 speed?..WTF?...Wheres the logic?... Spose Turn 10 also calls that lump under the hood a "motor" huh?...A window motor, regulator motor, starter motor?... The fact remains that no matter what bells and whistles Turn 10 adds to this pile it'll still suck...Those of us who actually build cars not only find this TERRIBLY offensive to the world of auto racing but we also know something Turn 10 does not; If you start with a piece of sh!t all you end up with is a POLSIHED TURD!... The storefront, the auction house, the paint program, the amount of cars are all great...The speed at which it appears you're traveling is complete BS and slowed down for those who play this game who've drank too much flouride...Their thought process is not all there and subsequently they'd suck if was at ALL close to real speed (notice the void of "racers" on race pro)...The fact that the head stays stationary when using the incar reaffirms my position on the amount of catering these pathetic developers do for a dollar... Oh yeah one last thing...ANYONE who can say this is at ALL close to a sim has never even looked in the general direction of a REAL racing car let along been near or even in one let alone yet again at any sort of speed being in or out of control, driving or just even a freeking ride along with a REAL professional...Prolly the same guys who think a "whole bunch" goes on during a NASCAR race...THERE IS NO JUDGING A SIM or ARCADE (Forza) WITHOUT INVESTING IN THE WHEELS AND PEDALS...PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...ANyone using a freeking pad for a driving game should SERIOUSLY have their head examined ESPECIALLY if their gonna try to convice someone else that said game is a sim...How about this, take your controller out and plug it into your car, see how far you get!...(nothing personal Doc. just saying) I'm willing to forgo all the features like you mentioned Doc. cause I don't use them anyway...I just WANT to race with good clean racers, be able to rub fenders or push someone up the track, bump-n-run or even have it done to me WITHOUT being CHUCKED off the road as if I was on ice... Yet another lie from another corporation, bout par these days... Real competition happens in Race Pro, dreamers PLAY Forza.. Again, I wasn't trying to defend Forza in any way, I know its not a true sim, and I've never tried to convince anybody anyway that it is one. I just get annoyed when stupid people complain about stupid things about games, and I got the impression this was what you were doing. Like I said, I can clearly now see this is not the case lol. I do generally use a controller for my games, I did have a wheel for the original XBOX, however I didn't use it very much, using a controller was just faster. I have purchased a wheel for the 360, I bought the FANATEC Porsche 911 Turbo S Wheel(works on PS3, PC and 360, only wheel to do so) I am just waiting for it to arrive. Hopefully should be here sometime next week. When I get that I'll also be starting to play some PC racing sims, specifically Grand Prix Legends and some iRacing, which from what I hear is the best currently available racing sim. I dont plan on doing much with iRacing though as its way to dam expensive at the moment. What wheel do you use for the 360? Because theres currently no actual good wheels available for it. You say the stuff about driving with a pad, yet you dont complain about the current lack of proper wheels for the 360. I find that very odd. The wheel I've bought, which is only just now becoming available, will be the first actual good wheel for the 360 and is being said to be just as good as, if not slightly better than in some areas, the Logitech G25, which seems to be the most popular wheel out there.(which unfortunately doesn't work on the 360) I wouldn't dare question anything about your tuning knowledge, cause I know jack god dam s*** about engines sadly and I've never done any real racing. |
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Post by wildwilldavis on Oct 28, 2009 22:04:37 GMT -4
See my problem with just "going racing" on F3 is that ALL the other guys are topping the leaderboards with vehicles that defy the VERY laws of physics...The perimeters for the physics engine are F*#KED from Turn 10... From reading your other post which I responded to, I got the impression you were an idiot talking bulls*** and just complaining(because obviously I dont know you) after reading this post however, I can clearly see your the opposite. What you have said here is a very legitimate reason not to like the game, your other post gave me the impression you weren't happy because of the new stuff added. Obviously then if you didn't enjoy the the other game, for the very good reasons youve listed, then you wont like this one. As I've already said, I just got the impression you didn't like it for stupid reasons. A SPEC car (ie; GT3 Ferrari) can NEVER be faster with longer and less gears than that of the same SPECS with shorter more rapid gear ratios...Torque multiplication is the VERY reason a tractor (semi-truck) has hi and low range and up to 18 speeds...Take that truck and drop it to say a 5 speed, that b!tch ain't moving sh!t...So, my Mustang will always be faster (using manual clutch sans the convertor found in a slushbox) when I drop it from a 6 speed to a 3 speed?..WTF?...Wheres the logic?... Spose Turn 10 also calls that lump under the hood a "motor" huh?...A window motor, regulator motor, starter motor?... The fact remains that no matter what bells and whistles Turn 10 adds to this pile it'll still suck...Those of us who actually build cars not only find this TERRIBLY offensive to the world of auto racing but we also know something Turn 10 does not; If you start with a piece of sh!t all you end up with is a POLSIHED TURD!... The storefront, the auction house, the paint program, the amount of cars are all great...The speed at which it appears you're traveling is complete BS and slowed down for those who play this game who've drank too much flouride...Their thought process is not all there and subsequently they'd suck if was at ALL close to real speed (notice the void of "racers" on race pro)...The fact that the head stays stationary when using the incar reaffirms my position on the amount of catering these pathetic developers do for a dollar... Oh yeah one last thing...ANYONE who can say this is at ALL close to a sim has never even looked in the general direction of a REAL racing car let along been near or even in one let alone yet again at any sort of speed being in or out of control, driving or just even a freeking ride along with a REAL professional...Prolly the same guys who think a "whole bunch" goes on during a NASCAR race...THERE IS NO JUDGING A SIM or ARCADE (Forza) WITHOUT INVESTING IN THE WHEELS AND PEDALS...PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...ANyone using a freeking pad for a driving game should SERIOUSLY have their head examined ESPECIALLY if their gonna try to convice someone else that said game is a sim...How about this, take your controller out and plug it into your car, see how far you get!...(nothing personal Doc. just saying) I'm willing to forgo all the features like you mentioned Doc. cause I don't use them anyway...I just WANT to race with good clean racers, be able to rub fenders or push someone up the track, bump-n-run or even have it done to me WITHOUT being CHUCKED off the road as if I was on ice... Yet another lie from another corporation, bout par these days... Real competition happens in Race Pro, dreamers PLAY Forza.. Again, I wasn't trying to defend Forza in any way, I know its not a true sim, and I've never tried to convince anybody anyway that it is one. I just get annoyed when stupid people complain about stupid things about games, and I got the impression this was what you were doing. Like I said, I can clearly now see this is not the case lol. I do generally use a controller for my games, I did have a wheel for the original XBOX, however I didn't use it very much, using a controller was just faster. I have purchased a wheel for the 360, I bought the FANATEC Porsche 911 Turbo S Wheel(works on PS3, PC and 360, only wheel to do so) I am just waiting for it to arrive. Hopefully should be here sometime next week. When I get that I'll also be starting to play some PC racing sims, specifically Grand Prix Legends and some iRacing, which from what I hear is the best currently available racing sim. I dont plan on doing much with iRacing though as its way to dam expensive at the moment. What wheel do you use for the 360? Because theres currently no actual good wheels available for it. You say the stuff about driving with a pad, yet you dont complain about the current lack of proper wheels for the 360. I find that very odd. The wheel I've bought, which is only just now becoming available, will be the first actual good wheel for the 360 and is being said to be just as good as, if not slightly better than in some areas, the Logitech G25, which seems to be the most popular wheel out there.(which unfortunately doesn't work on the 360) I wouldn't dare question anything about your tuning knowledge, cause I know jack god dam s*** about engines sadly and I've never done any real racing. I use the MS wheel...Currently on number 2...I buy them at Sam's club, BJ's or Costco (big box) where I can return them within 12 months no questions asked...In terms of the longevity, yeah they're kinda crappy...Sure the pedals don't have FFB and that takes some getting used to...BUT and this is a BIG but, (and I'm dating myself) when I started racing (games) the ONLY game was NASCAR for the PC...The only wheels avail. were from Logitech...There were no input measurements so you drove them basically "stock", THOSE were SH!T wheels...The MS wheel is LEAPS and BOUNDS over what I started with... I'd love the Fanatech wheel but I'm more prone to spending that kind of money on parts for my real cars...I'd also love to win "sanctioned" races online and gain reckognition but that program seems too "upety"... My primary beef with Forza is EXACTLY what you said "The pad is faster" as well as the lack of actual input registered by the game from the wheel...ie: I would turn no more than 20 degrees in F2 and NO MATTER what values I entered on the suspension the car would violently push once the threshold was met...Now, I should have been able to tune that out with springs, sways and stabilizers but to avail?... I would be VERY interested in hearing your input on what F3 feels like with the wheel...I've not talked to anyone regarding the feel of the wheel on F3 yet... I find the FFB on the MS wheel to be fairly accurate when running a game that was designed with the intent of using the wheel...RP feels VERY solid with the wheel IMO...About as close as you're gonna get with 7-10lbs of TQ from the little motor... I purchased my Elite and the wheel PURELY for F2...Was told by a buddy of mine that Xbox was the console to have and F2 was the game...I was also told F2 was designed with the wheel users in mind...And it was good for the time but ever since RP came out I REALLY noticed the difference... I appreciate you reading some of the other posts (in some cases more than once) to realize that I'm not just flaming or bashing you or the game...I'd love NOTHING more than to build a Fox Chassis Mustang (which is in the game) and race it with my buddies BUT if the physics aren't at least a bit more stout then all it'll do is make me angry... I actually thought about renting F3 just to see how the Mustang handles...I know those cars VERY well (I own a FLEET of them in various stages and principals of builds) so I should be able to translate the game and real life inputs to the T...As a matter of fact I was heloing one of my NLR friends tune one earlier but ended up signing off before he raced it... I don't really care about racing it online publicly or trying to top the leaderboards...I just want to get as close to the real things as is humanly possible.. BTW, iRacing is running SimBin's stuff...One major diff is the game...From what I've been reading you have to buy the game and then purchase the class of car you want to run...Run different classses, buy more DLC...For instance, look at SB's site and JUST now they are releasing the U.S. Muscle cars which again are DLC for the game...We have EVERY single class on RP and the PC guys don't even have them yet...We got them with the game and the PC guys didn't... From what I've read RP was originally a PC game which was converted for Xbox...Compared to the cost of running the same game on a PC us RP drivers got a SMOKIN deal!... We could compare apples to oranges all day long...The Vette vs. Mustang saga will continue while the most valid point gets left out in the cold, they're not even the same caliber or class...Same goes with the F3 v RP topic...RP is for the HARDCORE sim guys and F3 is for the people who wanna build wacky sh!t and boast about how fast they can "drive" with a pad and all assists...Thats not a shot accrss your bow just an observation based on how many people I raced against in my sum 500hrs online in F2... LMK how F3 feels with the wheel...Granted it won't be the same goin from you F-tech to my MS but it'll be close enough to accurately judge... |
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Post by wildwilldavis on Oct 28, 2009 22:10:26 GMT -4
You know I wouldn't even compare F3 to a sim if the lead developer or creator didn't boast about it being the "ultimate racing simulator"...People who have no experience racing shouldn't be ABLE to pick up a sim and be fast...In fact, they should (and most o in the case of RP) pick it up and realize they're not a fast as they thought...Which is why I picked up my RP disc for $15 less than 2 months after it was released from a used game store...
RP is a HARD "game" or a true sim, you be the judge on that one...Either way it reaffirms my statement about hardcore v. keep up with the Jones'...
Is there cool options and features in Forza, sure...But for my those are consolation prizes and I think more about what was left on the cutting room floor to make room for those fancy doodads...
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Post by massai on Oct 30, 2009 21:08:17 GMT -4
I have to agree with Will, FM3 has a ton of content, great graphics etc...
THe feel to game IMHO is awful with the wheel I cant understand what my car is doing on the track and this kills it for me. That probally doesnt make alot of sense to people who enjoy the game, its like Im guessing behind the wheel how the car will react.
Ive played the demo numerous times to try and get a feel for the flying lizard Porche and it still feels numb to me.
I played FM2 alot and won alot of races but I never felt fast , in Race PRo I was instanly on the pace in the openwheel and lighter chasis stuff(Radicals etc..). I thought I would completely suck at Rp after having limited success with FM2, but to my suprise I was posting top 150 times and top 50 in multiple classes(maybe 2 secs off top pace but never 10 secs like in FM2).
Im not bashing FM2 it jsut annoys the hell out of me when ppl say its so sim and so much better than RP, if you care about stock cars and paintjobs sure but for Racing RP is where its at.
Ive had countless great matches on RP with guys from all levels super fast to up and comers and its always enjoyable sans bugs especially the slow bug.
Im still hostin a room everynight but its been dead since FM3 came out but Ill still be around probally until Rp2 comes out, and like will said we got content from Race On before Race ON even came out.
I guarntee if Rp had FM3 graphics and no bugs the game would have thrived sadly we all know thats not the case.
ANyway I still might pick it up so I say to each his own if you enjoy FM3 enjoy it, but dont forget that Rp is still there and is also a very good game and a proper console sim.
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Post by breadedvirus on Nov 3, 2009 9:37:55 GMT -4
I shall pick myself a copy of FM3 up, but sad to say i know its more like FM2 with a few add ons. Only reason for me picking up FM3 is for the Aussie V8's and Le Sarthe. If i want real proper racing, then Race Pro will be going into my 360. FM3 will be fun, but will not bring the racing experience that RP offers me.
Massia..reason i havent been on, is due to my early starts at work in the mornings..Otherwise id be on. I still see alot of rooms on RP. The game IS NOT dead.
I heard a rumour that RP 2 was being worked on. I heard a few rumours that a few more DLCs were being worked on...I will wait.
Meantime RP will still be getting alot of my time, but then so will them V8's on FM3.
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Post by massai on Nov 22, 2009 11:34:01 GMT -4
I finally broke down and got FM3, Ill be seeing you guys on there as everyone is playing this and MW2.
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Post by skyhigh747 on Dec 22, 2009 10:54:23 GMT -4
I went to the dark side too, got Forza 10 days ago.
I think it's a blast. Online is pretty fun as lobbies are populated.
This is my main gripe with Race Pro, not many people online.
Single Player Race Pro in the Championships (not the silly career) still does it for me on SP though - I have had pretty tense F3000 races, Forza3 AI is just way too easy.
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If you don't play with freinds you have no control and you have to race by there settings and only the "most popular game types,races are gonna be picked for open rooms" so pretty much every race is gonna be at the oval in gt40s HOW FUN 
really happy i did'nt pre order it last night now.Bash me for whineing some more about this game more but thing is this series forza 1 and 2 were amaazing and they only added to it.Now with this one they changed it and just is'nt the same in my eyes as they seem to be money hunters now 
